The Topic I MOST Try to Avoid (You Know What I’m Not Talking About)

avoidSometimes I don’t know what to say to people. Does that happen to you?

I’m well-versed in my faith and I’m not ashamed of the gospel but some topics are just harder than others. They don’t lend themselves to calm dialog. They carry the certain threat of disintegrating into sound bites and accusations as quickly as a family values debate between Sarah Palin and David Letterman.

So, usually I avoid them. In social settings and on my blog.

But then I have to wrestle with wondering if I’m serving the gospel well, serving others well, succumbing to chicken-hearted fears.

Then again, if I do speak up, I’m afraid that I’m creating division, focusing on debatable issues rather than Jesus, or causing hurt to someone who doesn’t need more hurt in his or her world.

Yes, people, that’s what it looks like backstage here at Deeper with Jesus in Rhode Island.

So, as the topic of homosexuality fills the airways, of course I want to add my voice but then, of course, I don’t.

I’m not the only Christian wrestling with this ambivalence. It’s a hard, hard conversation to have in public these days for at least three reasons.

First, because people are usually already polarized on the topic and walk into it with their fists raised.

Second, because so many Christian spokespeople who get media attention have handled the subject badly, so it’s hard for their opponents not to continue to shadowbox with them.

And third, because there’s a plethora of bad information on the Biblical teaching on homosexuality, so that now even reasonable Christians disagree about how to approach it.

It’s a natural survival reflex to avoid walking casually into minefields. But, into the minefields I will venture for the next several posts to explore the struggles everyday Christians have in discussing homosexuality and faith.

Years ago, a friend called to complain that she was going to boycott the TV sitcom, Cheers, because that night, they had introduced a gay character. Back then, it wasn’t yet a casting norm to include lesbian or gay characters in prime time programming and she was, “frankly shocked.”

I chuckled at her response and this offended her until I explained my concern. “You realize, don’t you, that we’ve been faithfully enjoying a show that revolves around a man revered for his myriad, casual sexual partners and that all of the characters spend their days carousing, completely self-absorbed or consuming mass quantities of liquor. But NOW, for you, they’ve crossed a line?” “Oh, right.” My friend responded. “Why wasn’t I bothered by the show’s sinful characters until now? What’s happened to me?”

The same thing that happens to all of us as our culture creeps inch by inch further away from Biblical standards. We compromise, we waiver, we yield, we barely see it coming.

Like Tevye, in Fiddler on the Roof, Christians wrestle with a changing culture measured against our understanding of God’s standards. There are times it makes sense to give in – like allowing drums and electric guitars on the altar or respecting women as co-heirs of the kingdom. Other times – well, other times – there can be no compromise and that’s when it gets hard.

Something to understand about serious Christians is that when tradition or man-devised religious conventions are offensive, we can entertain compromise and change. But when the basic teachings of the Bible, the words of scripture, are offensive, compromise is not within our authority.

We believe that God created the world, designed humans, set up the rules with an eye to wisdom, love and holiness and that if they offend, it’s us who is the problem, not scripture, not God. You see, in order to come to Christ in the first place, we were all offended at one time or another by His truth. We felt judged. We heard we were wrong.

But we also heard that that information was not intended to destroy us but to save us. We acknowledged our offense, accepted Christ as the payment of our sin debt, and now, we expect to have to change every day. We expect to learn we have to be different, that we must change in very core areas as we become more and more like Christ.

God offends me all the time with the truth but the truth is also my salvation.

And part of what we’re called to do is tell others about this whole offensive Jesus truth. Not because we think we’re so smart and cool and righteous but because we believe that humans need to be saved and Jesus is the Savior.

We’re clumsy at communicating. Sometimes we get it wrong. But most of us are trying to do more than get it right, we’re trying to be loving as we stand firm on our understanding of the truth. But when it comes to this topic, homosexuality, the love often gets lost in the truth.

I’m tired of hiding in the Christian closet about this topic and the strenuous nature of it. I want to write about the issues and the way we talk (or don’t talk about it) with others and hear your feedback as well, no matter where you stand.

So, walk with me for a ways down this path. I don’t have all the answers and nothing will expose that more than reading what I write about this topic but I trust the power of the Holy Spirit to work. He does His best work in the light so let’s open this door and let the light shine in. (Well, let’s crack it open a bit and light a candle, anyway.)

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  1. Edie Melson says:

    Lori, I’m right here with you. Thank you for having the courage to begin. Let’s join together and start the dialogue. Blessings my friend!

  2. Anxiously looking forward to more on this topic,my friend. Write on.

  3. Have no idea where I’m going with this, my friends, but happy to have you along with me! “Though one may be overpowered,
    two can defend themselves.
    A cord of three strands is not quickly broken.”
    Ecclesiastes 4:12
    Writing on my knees . . .

  4. Tough topic to expose our truths and hearts. My FOX news headlines reads: Cal to teach gay history. The humor thing breaks the ice; the educational thing? Gets tough to separate the people from the program.

  5. Wow Lori. I am so glad that you are even willing to dialogue about this.

    I have struggled with the person I am and the faith that I lived my whole entire life. I have had a very difficult journey with God, starting by being raised in a traditional Catholic home, and feeling like I was called by God to ministry, entering the seminary, then not feeling welcome to fulfill that ministry because of my sexuality. I left the seminary, worked for years as a layperson with the homeless, to become a very happy and fulfilled man, who has since come to terms that he was a gay man.

    I also appreciate the opportunity to chat with you about this. I rarely do this. Mostly, I feel that it will end up being at least: a shouting match, or at worst: being shunned and judged by a superior acting “Christian”.

    So here it is. You asked. A gay man of faith is going to give you his thoughts. Let me warn anyone who reads this, I hope you read it with a spirit of openness to be changed by what you hear.

    It just seems to me, when you compare all other “sins” to homosexual relationships, all the other “sins” vastly different. So vastly different that it seems obvious that they are not the same thing.

    Let’s take the “big” sins as examples: murder, lying, adultery, stealing, and promiscuity. The common element in these sins is they are all destructive, and inherently selfish.

    I know how it feels when I do sin. It harms my relationship with God and I end up feeling lonely and guilty. There is nothing lonely or destructive about my relationship with Shawn. I have been in love with my partner Shawn for 11 years, and we use Corinthians 13 as the basis of our love. Our relation does not feel at all like a sin. It is nurturing, comforting, and ultimately satisfying. This makes homosexual relationships so vastly different than acts of violence or destruction; it is astounding we talk in terms as if it were the same thing.

    Homosexual relationships stand out being very different in that they are creative rather than destructive and love-filled rather than inherently selfless. (I am talking long term, healthy, committed relationships, between two adults. I am not talking about any one sex act. I acknowledge homosexuals – like heterosexuals, can be promiscuous too. To be clear, I am talking about relationships and not one act of sex or another.)

    If you compare sins, homosexual relationships do not have any of the same elements of other sins. No one is hurt, no one is destroying anything. Like any healthy relationship, something wonderful is created, and two people are looking out for and caring for one another. How can this be at all sinful? Why is a happy healthy relationship even compared to murder or lying? It seems to me smoking a cigarette should be considered a bigger and more destructive act.

    Let me be clear. Homosexuality is not a choice. I know this more intimately than anyone. It is no more a choice for me than anyone who is Heterosexual “choosing” to be straight. I was born this way and I have always known I was basically attracted to.

    A few more random thoughts:

    If one uses the Bible as your basis for your understanding of Homosexuality, then does Bible also affect your understanding of History, Astronomy and Geography? The Bible tells us that the Earth was created in 6 days, is about 6,000 years old, is in the center of the universe, and is flat.

    If you do take the Bible literally, and use the Bible as a basis of your understanding of Homosexuality, then do you also not eat shrimp, only wear clothes made of one type of fabric, stone adulterous women, and refuse to plant different crops side by side? These are also behaviors that the Bible refers to in very clear terms. I am not clear how you can pick and choose what parts of the Bible are pertinent, and which parts are not.

    Finally, if God does not like gays, why does he keep making so many of us?

  6. Calvin, my friend, you are welcome to the conversation here. I know you have read some of my other posts so you know I take the Bible very seriously. I trust, knowing me in person, you know you’re someone I like and about whom I care deeply. You’ve laid out many points quite eloquently and I want to think and pray before responding to any one in particular. (In the interest of full disclosure, I do believe in young earth theory but I don’t believe that because the Bible refers to the “four corners” of the earth that it teaches that the world is flat.

    I wish that more homosexuals would be as willing to continue to wrestle with God over this issue, as you are, rather than to turn away from Him or reject Him. I respect the way you’ve expressed yourself here and the courage it takes for you to enter this dialog. The issues you’ve brought up are among the many I want to discuss so – I will be back with more after I’ve given some thought to what you’ve said.

    Well, okay, one thing to consider is that some of the sins with which I wrestle are also compared to murder and to lying and I wonder how they rate being listed there with “the big ones” that hurt others but they are – that’s God’s doing and I trust Him more than I trust my perspective which can be skewed because I like some of my sinful ways (or at least, weary of trying to abandon them.) I believe part of what the Bible implies that homosexual relationships interfere with is the picture that God was trying to communicate to us about Himself when He created us “male and female” and told us that, joined together, we become one. Let me think how best to express that and come back on it. I value you, Calvin. Keep talking.

  7. Oh,to be fair, I believe plenty of heterosexual married relationships screw up that picture God was trying to create, too, through a parade of sinful behaviors.

  8. Welcome Calvin. Please know you are loved here. We may all walk away from this conversation unchanged in our beliefs, but one thing will remain: you are loved here.

  9. Erynn says:

    Thanks for delving in Lori. And I so appreciate Vonda’s voice too. I’ve been doing a LOT of studying on this topic in the last year as I wrestled with speaking the Truth in love with my sister who was a practicing homosexual (and professing Christian) for fifteen years. There was no resource I ever found more helpful than this sermon by Matt Chandler. I think anyone who is struggling with this issue should watch this video: http://fm.thevillagechurch.net/culture-theology
    I think the most important thing I took from it was the idea that the Gospel has to remain central. No one can understand the beauty of the way God created us for relationship without seeing the beauty of God Himself and His plan for our good and His glory.
    Looking forward to the conversation.

  10. Erynn, welcome. I appreciate that you exemplify many of us who aren’t interested in hurting people or judging them. Most of us love the people in our lives and simply want God’s best for them. I also heard from a friend who’s son is gay and I’m eager to hear how he has responded to him. I like that it sounds as though you weren’t interested in rejecting your sister or condemning her. You invested precious time in research and study and prayer in communicating with her. That demonstrates both a great love for her and for God. I think that side of things often gets lost in the public shouting match over this topic. Thank you for joining the conversation.

  11. Michelle says:

    Lori, I commend you on your willingness to dive into this topic, which is, as you have acknowledged, awkward and hard to deal with. I am not homosexual and I am a Christian, and here is where I stand on the issue, as far as I have been able to determine. =)

    Sin is sin. All sin is equal in God’s eyes: all sin separates us from Him. It doesn’t matter what it is, it doesn’t matter how “big” it is or how “little” it is: these views of “big” sins and “little” sins are largely cultural anyways. Americans view a lie as a bigger sin than losing your temper, Africans and Asians view those in the opposite way. The point is that in God’s eyes all sin is the same: it is all selfish and it’s all us choosing ourselves and our own desires over Him.

    That being said, I view homosexuality much as I view someone who struggles with their temper, or someone who’s straight and 45 and longs to be married but isn’t, or someone who struggles with the desire to steal things or lie to make themselves look better. We are ALL sinners, we all need grace, and we all have to deny ourselves daily in order to fully walk with God.

    I do not deny that homosexuality is probably one of the tougher sins to conquer and walk in victory over. But what’s the difference between a homosexual person who struggles with their thought life and a straight person who struggles with the same? There is none.

    The Bible is clear that homosexuality is a sin and that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. In response to Calvin’s comments on picking and choosing parts of the Bible to believe, I would say that nearly all of his other references are from the OT and are not mentioned in the NT (with the exception of stoning, which was their method of the death penalty for any sin), whereas homosexuality is mentioned in the NT as detestable. It’s lumped right in there with thievery, fornication, adultery, coveting, and drunkenness (1 Cor. 6:9-10).

    My bottom line is this: just as people struggle with “smaller” sins (ooh, how about taming one’s tongue?), people struggle with “larger” ones like homosexuality. It’s all sin. The church is wrong to condemn homosexuals while not condemning the liars, adulterers, wife-beaters, family-neglecters, prideful, selfish, in-debt due to covetous hearts, and so-on members of their church pews. We’re all sinners. We all need grace. And we ALL need to deny our natural tendencies to do what pleases ourselves and do what pleases the Father instead.

  12. Rhonda says:

    “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” Romans 3:23.

    Our life with Christ is a journey towards righteousness. It is one filled with glorious revelations, transformations, as well as some pitfalls and potholes. It is not easy. But, when we fully surrender to the working of the Holy Spirit, we are truly changed to glorify Him. We often have our views and beliefs challenged through this sanctification process, because we have been so tainted by our flesh as well as world views. We are human beings! We need to be careful that we seek truth and allow God to remove the lies of the enemy. Satan is a very crafty devil and so easily distorts the truth. We often hold fast to some “misunderstood truth,” only to discover that we were duped by the devil.

    The Bible also tells us to take out the log in our own eye before removing the speck in someone else’s (Matthew 7:5). Our desire should not be that we change someone’s lifestyle or even thought process. For we cannot even change ourselves separated from the Holy Spirit. Our desire should be to introduce people to our loving Savior Jesus Christ. The rest is up to Him (Jesus that is).

    I have very strong beliefs regarding
    homosexuality. But we all stand tall and proud in our beliefs until it becomes personal. When loved ones live a lifestyle you don’t approve of, you are left to wonder: What would Jesus do?

  13. Lori,

    Thank you for taking on this topic. It’s one I’ve desired to dive into, as well, but hadn’t figured out how to do so. I commend you for your bravery!

    I’ll be praying, too, as I truly prefer to be a help and not a hindrance when I write/speak.

    I will say this: I agree with those who’ve stated that no sin is bigger or smaller than others in the eyes of God.

    “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.” Matthew 12:31

    According to this verse, the only unpardonable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

    But what is the condition of being forgiven of our sins? Isn’t it to believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, born of a virgin, died on the cross for our sins, and risen on the third day to take His rightful place at God’s side? To confess Him with our mouths before men? To confess our sins and repent (which means to turn away from them – to stop partaking of those things we know are wrong in God’s eyes)?

    And every one of us is born into sin. We come with it packaged inside of us, like a virus. That’s why we so desperately need Jesus Christ in our lives. But God gave us free will. He gave us a choice. And we choose every day to live in our sin or to deny ourselves, take up the cross, and follow hard after Jesus and His ways.

    Okay, I think I’ve said enough for today. Lori, I’ll be praying with you, and I look forward to reading more and hearing more from others.

    PS – Another thought. On “picking and choosing” from the Bible. Please remember that there are a lot of false teachers in this day, wrong theologies, and more to beware of. Christians with strong, solid, biblical foundations in their lives do not “pick and choose” which scriptures to use for various things. We understand that God’s word is in whole the truth, and He is consistent throughout His word. It’s humans who like to take scriptures out of context for their own selfish purposes. If God says it was wrong in Genesis, it will still be wrong in Revelation. He does not contradict Himself. If we feel the Bible contains contradiction, then we lack faith in God, because faith in God is believing what He says is true. Period. Faith is taking God at His word, trusting He’ll bring what He says to pass.

  14. To have a dialogue about Homosexuality, I think we need to first discuss the very nature of sin.
    What makes a sin a sin? Is sin always so black and white?
    The Bible tells us that stealing is a sin. But what if stealing bread saves your baby from starvation?
    The Bible tells us that lying is a sin. But what if lying saves the Jewish family hiding in your attic from being discovered by the Nazi soldiers at your door?
    The Bible tells us not to kill. But what if you kill someone is self defense?
    Smarter philosophers and theologians have grappled with the idea of sin better than me. I just am trying to illustrate that it is not as simple as just declaring that “sin is sin and that’s that”.

  15. Something else I think about often: It might sound facetious at first, but I think it illustrates a point that I disagree with “Sin s Sin and that is that”:
    If the Bible tells us: These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
    And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you. (Leviticus 11:9-12)
    Shrimp, crab, lobster, clams, mussels, all these are an abomination before the Lord, just as “gays” are an abomination. The Bible uses the same language for seafood as for a gay act.
    Having a lobster roll for lunch or enjoying a nice plate of calamari seems as vile to God as being gay. Can someone tell me why this part of the Bible is not as important as the “Gay” parts? No one seems to be protesting Red Lobster or Long John Silver restaurants.
    So, is sin a sin and that is that? Lobster roll or murder? Homosexuality or theft?
    So, this is all Old Testament. Jesus never even mentions homosexuality in the Gospels. Not even once. His Beatitudes speak more about my life than anything in Leviticus anyway.

  16. Following along with interest…I don’t really have much to contribute at this point, but I am interested in “listening” to the conversation…

  17. Michele posted :“The Bible is clear that homosexuality is a sin and that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God.” I have to disagree with the poster Michele on this. If I start to sound angry – I appologize. I want this to be a respectful dialouge, but I do get emotional on this subject. I hope you can understand it is rather an intimate subject for me….
    That being said:
    Again, this kind of “religious certainty” is simplistic and arguably (in a respectful way) sinful.

    The Bible you and I read was not handed to us by God in English. You have to take into account the social and historical aspects of its creation as well as be VERY careful of the translation from Greek to English.

    In the New Testament, Paul did speak about Homosexuality. Or did he? I have read that St. Paul’s use of the word that gets translated into English as Homosexual is “Malakos” (literally “soft”) but was not used by Greek speakers of Paul’s time in sexual contexts. In Paul’s usage, it may be suggestive of some kind of effeminacy or weakness, but it is not a word which other speakers and writers of Greek used to refer to homosexual behavior or practitioners. “Malakos,” indeed, is used in several other places in the New Testament in ways that have nothing to do with sex (e.g., Matt. 11:8 and Luke 7:25). The word’s usage overall is uncommon. More on this: http://whosoever.org/v4i1/paul.html It is a great read.

    Back again about the nature of sin: As I understand it, sin is by nature destructive, selfish, and disruptive of your relationship with God.

    The venom of the attacks against Gays and Lesbians by some Christians (not here – this is a wonderful blog! 🙂 has caused deep psychological damage to many wonderful men and women. Declaring someone as an “abomination” feels like a kick in the stomach every time you hear it. (And as a gay man, I HAVE heard it.) “Faggot” and “Queer” are slurs heard and are justified because of a misunderstanding and misuse of the Bible. Young men and women who are bombarded with that message of “sinfulness” because they happened to be born gay or lesbian has caused countless children and young adults to kill themselves or live in misery and guilt.

    Let me be very clear: telling a gay man or woman that he will not go to heaven because of how he or she was born is without a doubt an evil and sinful act.

    The attacks of certain “Christians” (again not all but certain ones) on men and women who have no choice but to be true to themselves and live a gay life sounds much or destructive, selfish and disruptive than a caring relationship between to adult men or women. To me, that is where the sin exists.

    Lori, I applaud your willingness to dialogue about this. It is not an easy topic. It is one however, that I have thought about nearly daily in my personal journey with my God. My personal prayer is for understanding and patience with those who hate and loath me for being who I am.

    It does give me hope that one day we can all live in a world where a better understanding of ourselves and others exist. You are a bright light!!

  18. Thank you to everyone willing to join this conversation. I want this to be a place of both grace and truth because both are representative of the Bible. I declare, in the name of Jesus, that this will be a “safe” place for this dialog.

    By safe, I mean that if you are honestly representing your understanding of Biblical truth and your experience of God here. You are welcome. Calvin, sometimes that may mean that someone will say that homosexuals are destined for hell but I don’t believe anyone who frequents this blog would say that out of hatred for people who are gay but out a desire to represent Biblical teaching. I have been told I deserve to go to hell and I actually believe that without the sacrifice and grace of Jesus, I would be sent there by God, justifiably, for my sins. I have done nothing since my acceptance of Jesus to earn entrance to heaven. As painful and offensive as it sounds, there would have been no reason for Jesus to die if we didn’t need to be saved from something.

    For anyone who is quoting scripture here, and I encourage that, please respect that Calvin has done research on this as a person who is attracted to the same sex and who wants a relationship with God. There are many Bible teachers out there who will support what Calvin is saying so I believe it’s important to respect that he is not trying to dismiss God or scripture and he has found teachers who support his understanding of the Bible.

    I grew up in a church that didn’t have strong Biblical teaching. When I first entered Christian college, some people were very hurtful to me about my ignorance of certain topics and many, I’m sure, doubted the authenticity of my relationship with Jesus because of my lack of Biblical understanding about certain topics. I promised myself I would never make anyone feel the way I felt during those days.

  19. There are lots of points coming up here and I’m going to add another post later today but here’s one thing about the Levitical teachings and Jesus’ silence on homosexuality. a) Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. Right there next to the Beatitudes, Jesus said that the very least of the laws is still in effect (Matthew 5:17-20). It’s true that ALL of us are lawbreakers but because some break certain laws, that does not make breaking any of them right. That’s the whole point of the gospel. We are ALL lawbreakers so like the woman caught in adultery, while we receive grace and pardon from Jesus, He also tells us to go and sin no more. b) Sometimes the gay community is just as guilty as the church of selecting some scriptures and not others. I don’t hear anyone talking about Leviticus 18 which is a chapter full of sexual prohibitions, most of which we still consider off limits, such as not having sex with your grandchildren or having sex with close relatives. The prohibition against men laying with other men is included in that chapter, too, not simply the one where mixed cloth is prohibited. All of the laws at the time were about creating a people who were different, set apart, an example of holiness.

    ALL of us should be aiming, on this blog and in life, to find out how to please God. Too much of the public dialog on this topic has been just so much stone-throwing (from both camps). “Well, if I’m a sinner deserving hell, then so are you, too.” It’s not pleasant for ANY of us to face how far short we fall from God’s grace. I don’t like looking at how badly Christians botch this topic and how much we hurt others in Jesus’ name. I don’t like looking at how far some Biblical scholars have wandered from the truth. I don’t like admitting that there are areas of the Bible I’m not living up to either. If I call someone a sinner, please understand, I say the same thing looking in a mirror. But we don’t move forward with this discussion until we move past that conversation to “so what do we do with that information now.”

    I hope to post again later today. Much love to all who read and participate here!

  20. Carmen says:

    Wow Lori! Nothing but respect!

  21. I just ran across your blog for the first time and I am REALLY enjoying it. You should be a writer! I like what you said about the homosexual issue. As Christians, we need to remember that God hates the sin, not the sinner. It is a touchy subject, especially today, as so many are ‘out of the closet’ so to speak. But, we do need to remember that their sin is no worse than the sins we commit each and every day. In God’s eyes, sin is sin. We need to witness to them no differently than we would any other ‘sinner’!!! God will handle the rest. God will convict them just as he did/does us!

  22. Welcome, Cindy! I’m glad you’ve come. I enjoy feedback on all levels to your comments are most welcome! God bless

  23. Elaine says:

    Our instructions are to die to the flesh…no matter what sexual orientation we are. If I live together with a partner (male or female), I am still living outside of God’s order. Every day there are people out there having relationships outside of God’s plan, declaring their love for one another. It’s not a question of love, it’s a question of obedience. Does God love me? Yeah, He loves me like crazy. Should I repent? You betcha.

    Humanity experiences impulses and drives of all kinds and to varying depths. Just because I feel something, doesn’t mean I should obey it.

    Homosexual impulses won’t send you to hell. No one knows a person’s struggles unless you’ve been in their shoes. However, I believe it’s God’s desire to cover in His grace AND bring one to a place of freedom and rest. That can only play itself out in an atmosphere of a desire to be obedient to God.

  24. Bryan says:

    Kerry Johnson of “CandidKerry” told me to visit this particular post and to read the comments as I too have decided to brave these waters. God Bless you for your candor and compassion!

  25. Welcome, Bryan. And tell Kerry I said “thank you.” I hope you’ll subscribe to become a regular reader. I look forward to your commentary!

  26. First I would like to say the earth is not square and the Bible confirms it. Isaiah 40:22 says, “God sits upon the circle of the earth.” Don’t know if it is true but I read that Columbus based his voyages on that verse. Second on judgement day I will only be judged for what I have done and third Proverbs 6:16-19 says seven thing are an abomination to the Lord. It does not mention adultery or homosexuality. However depending on how you read it at least three and possibly four of the things he hates have to do with the tongue and what we say. Based on the above we all have to choose to live a life that we will feel comfortable standing before God having lived it. Each of us has to make the decisions for ourselves.

  27. Brian says:

    Calvin, it always comes down to one thing for the Christian: To love God more than we love anything – or anyone – else (including our own ideas or Biblical interpretations), and uncompromising surrender in obedience to His will as He reveals it to us. Seek His will with the utter determination to follow it wherever it might lead you, and I can guarantee you this: In the last day when you stand before Him, you will not be able to accuse Him of ignoring your prayers for guidance, or that He never told you what He expected of you. It’s between you and Him now – but beware that He sees the innermost corners of our hearts and knows the secret places that we would try to hide from Him.

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